The sound of heresy…

February 16, 2011 at 9:51 pm | Posted in Christianity | Leave a comment
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I know that it’s been awhile since I wrote something other than the Bible study, newslinks, or Persecution Friday spots. I’ve been kinda busy, but I haven’t forgotten. Something I saw the other day made me have to write this though. It’s going to be a long read, so if you have to take a potty break or get a cup of coffee, do it now…:)

I heard about something the other day that just about made me sick, but I didn’t want to say anything about it until I had some proof from the horse’s mouth. Now I have it and this needs to be put out in the open.

For a long time, I’ve been talking about false teachers and men who call themselves pastors. I see many both locally in my home town, nationally in the U.S., and (unfortunately) they are now spreading to other countries. Not that there weren’t false teachers there already, but the American style of prosperity gospel preachers is sadly reaching into other parts of the world that are just now opening up to real Christianity. It is one of these types of people that I am writing about today.

Joel Osteen is known around the world for his positive message. He is lauded as an upbeat, godly man who gives people hope for the future. He delivers messages on TV, the internet, and by traveling around to different areas. Between Joel and his wife, “pastor” Victoria Osteen, they have produced numerous books, CDs, and DVDs to spread their message to the masses. They “pastor” Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. This church is in the former Compaq arena (former home of the Houston Rockets). The Osteens offer their followers a “power of positive thinking” type message that says that all you have to do is believe and you will get the things that you’re believing for. They also wade into the Word of Faith/prosperity gospel type teaching. While the Osteens are called pastors, they have said that they consider themselves more like “life coaches” and that they try to keep their messages for all people and not bash one group or another. Mr. Osteen has said himself that his messages are not about doctrine:

“My message is not about doctrine. I don’t have to get 50 references from Scripture in a sermon for it to be a good sermon. I want to be careful not to criticize anybody or be negative. I feel like I don’t need to preach. I just want to talk to the people.” (spoken at a rally in New York, April 2009)

The fact that the Osteens don’t worry about doctrine will be seen in due time. While I’ve heard many people fawn over the Osteens, I’ve also heard many people look at what they actually say instead of getting caught up in their image. There have been many instances where Joel Osteen has been asked simple, straight-forward questions and has been unable to give simple, straight-forward answers. His stance on Jesus being the only way has wavered. He has supported homosexuality and waffled on the issue both on Larry King Live and The View. Recently, he did say that homosexuality was a sin, but he didn’t do it with any sort of confidence. Ultimately, both of the Osteens promote a “God wants you blessed and healthy and wealthy; and if you’re not, then you’re not ‘living God’s best life’. If you want this life, you have to speak it and declare it daily and God will give you what you say. It is your declarations that allow God to bless you.” Just to be clear, that wasn’t a direct quote, but it very well could have been.

For years now, the Osteens have delivered a squishy, watered down, version of the propserity gospel. He adds to that positive thinking. Unfortunately, the fact that the Osteens aren’t concerned about doctrine means that the things that they proclaim can’t be supported with scripture. Oh sure, they use scriptures every once in a blue moon, but they don’t use them rightly at all. They are taken out of context if the quotes are even actually scripture to begin with. All of this is well-known and documented in many, many places. I give this to you as a small biop of what they are as well as a benchmark to see just how far from Christianity they seem to be willing to go to give people hope. As if what they’ve already done isn’t bad enough, what follows is the most pathetic, unscriptural, and utterly horrible handling of scripture that I’ve seen in a long time. That part makes me mad. That the Osteens feel that they are so close to God that they can twist His Word to their own ends aggravates me to the uttermost. I will readily admit that I’m neither perfect nor righteous. I’m not. I’m a sinner who has been saved by Christ. But, I do value God’s Word. It is precious to me. To understand my anger, let’s look at something.

Joel Osteen is commonly referred to as a pastor (although he has used other terms instead). The Greek word defined as pastor in the New Testament means “shepherd”. A shepherd is someone who has responsibility for the welfare of his flock. They are responsible for feeding and protecting the sheep. Joel Osteen is the senior pastor of Lakewood Church. That means that he is ultimately responsible for the 50,000 people that he sees every weekend. Their feeding and welfare is on his shoulders. If he fails to feed them what they really need, then he will be responsible for that. The pastor leads the sheep to God. If Joel Osteen preaches a false gospel, then he is not only not feeding the sheep, he is leading them away from God. If they are being lead away from God, they cannot be saved. As I’ve said above and in other posts, I don’t think that Joel Osteen is a pastor. I don’t even think that he’s a Christian. He is a false teacher with a false gospel. The sad part of all of this is the number of people who have followed this delusional doctrine-less mishmash that has no basis in the truth of scripture. For a new and more deeply depraved example of this, we’re going to take a look at a recent blog posted by the “good pastor”. The blog is called “The Sound of Abundance” (which can be found here). We will be going through the text and looking at what he says and then comparing it to scripture. Have you got your coffee and everything? It’s going to be a long, bumpy ride…..

Note: To keep things from being confusing, I have put Joel Osteen’s words in black and my responses in green.

One time in Scripture, there was a drought in the land for three and a half years. It was very difficult on the people. They struggled to get food and water. One day the prophet Elijah said to Ahab, “I hear the sound of the abundance of rain.

One time in scripture? Um…how about giving actual scripture references. Granted, he does say in a little bit that it’s 1 Kings 18, but really? It sounds like the beginning a fairy tale…wait…maybe that’s just right then….nevermind…..Osteen just drops into a much bigger story like a ninja, and fails to give any sort of background as to what had already taken place. Do you know why there hadn’t been any rain for 3 years? It is important to what is taking place:

Now Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the settlers of Gilead, said to Ahab, “As the LORD, the God of Israel lives, before whom I stand, surely there shall be neither dew nor rain these years, except by my word.” (1 Kings 17:1)

The reason that there was no rain is because of the Lord!!!!! Why would the Lord shut up the heavens for so long? If we go back to the end of chapter 16 we find out:

Now Ahab the son of Omri became king over Israel in the thirty-eighth year of Asa king of Judah, and Ahab the son of Omri reigned over Israel in Samaria twenty-two years. Ahab the son of Omri did evil in the sight of the LORD more than all who were before him. It came about, as though it had been a trivial thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he married Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Sidonians, and went to serve Baal and worshiped him. So he erected an altar for Baal in the house of Baal which he built in Samaria. Ahab also made the Asherah. Thus Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel than all the kings of Israel who were before him. In his days Hiel the Bethelite built Jericho; he laid its foundations with the loss of Abiram his firstborn, and set up its gates with the loss of his youngest son Segub, according to the word of the LORD, which He spoke by Joshua the son of Nun. (1 Kings 16:29-34)

Ahab was king of Israel, the Northern Kingdom. He was the most evil man that had been king in Israel up to this point. He was so evil that the sins of Jeroboam were trivial to him. Ahab reached levels of sin that had never been seen before. He married the wicked woman Jezebel and served Baal the Canaanite god. He also served Asherah, a goddess of the Sidonians. He built a house and altar for Baal and an Asherah pole (and possibly a grove). Verse 33 says that Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God than all other kings of Israel before him. Ahab knowingly did this to provoke God. Not only that, but both Ahab and Jezebel actively searched out for the prophets of the Lord and slaughtered them. THIS is the background of the story that Osteen is twisting. It also makes what he encourages his flock to do at the end that much more heinous.

It’s interesting because when Elijah said this, there wasn’t a cloud in the sky. It was just as clear and hot and dry as it had always been; no sign of any rain.

That’s right Mr. Osteen…there wasn’t a cloud in the sky. It was dry and dusty because Elijah had told Ahab that’s how it would be. Ahab’s sin had reduced Israel to a virtual dustbowl.

Yet Elijah sensed in his spirit that something was coming. He sensed that rain was on the way.

He sensed something in his spirit? Really? Has Osteen even read the scripture that he’s misusing? I highly doubt it but I thought I would give him a little slack. If you look at the scripture, you see that it wasn’t that Elijah “sensed something in his spirit”; GOD TOLD HIM THAT RAIN WOULD COME WHEN HE PRESENTED HIMSELF TO AHAB (1 Kings 18:1)! How hard is that to see in scripture….well, ok…you actually have to be looking in scripture to see that but…

He was bold enough to announce it, and I like the way he did. He said in 1 Kings 18, “Ahab, go enjoy a good meal. I hear a mighty rainstorm coming.

WOW! Did Osteen skip a HUGE amount of scripture. Ahab hated Elijah (the prophet of God) and searched through every nation to find him so that they could kill him (1 Kings 18:10). When Ahab and Elijah meet, Ahab calls Elijah a “troubler of Israel”. Elijah responds by calling Ahab the true troubler because he had “forsaken the commandments of the Lord and followed the Baals”(1 Kings 18:18). Elijah not only came to present himself to Ahab, he set up the contest between himself and the 450 prophets of Baal that Ahab and Jezebel had given power to. When the contest was over and Elijah had proven himself to be the true man of God, he had the 450 false prophets slaughtered at the brook Kishon. It is after the slaughter of all the prophets of Baal that Elijah tells Ahab to “Go up; eat and drink for there is the sound of the roar of a heavy shower”(1 Kings 18:41). It is most likely that Ahab went back to a tent on the hill to eat.  Elijah went to the top of Mount Carmel and prayed for rain. Seven times Elijah prayed and finally there was a small cloud visible. Elijah told to get on his chariot and get off the mountain before he got caught in the storm that was brewing. As the clouds began to roil and the rain began to fall, Ahab rode to Jezreel. Elijah, the hand of the Lord upon him, ran down the mountain and outran Ahab.

Maybe you feel like you’ve been in a drought for a long time, but just like Elijah, do you know what I hear in my spirit? The sound of abundance. I hear the sound of things changing in your favor. I hear the sound of relationships being restored, the sound of breakthroughs in health, in finances.

*in a giddy voice* What do you hear in your spirit pastor Joel? The sound of abundance? Really? O yay!…ugh What about what you READ IN SCRIPTURE?!?! First, I don’t see anywhere in scripture that says that everyone who “believes” will have their relationships restored or “breakthroughs” in health or finance. What I DO see is that those who are Christians are promised trials and tribulations. I see that the message of the gospel will even divide families. I see nowhere in scripture where those who believe are promised and easy, “abundant”, wealthy life. Second, who is Joel Osteen? Elijah is a man of God, someone who obeyed God in the midst of trials and in the face of death. Elijah actually heard from God. If I look at what Joel Osteen says and compare it to what God has already said, I don’t see them lining up. The man is a false teacher and false prophet. The Old Testament says that men like him would’ve been stoned for their false proclamations. Third, what if the drought that I’m going through is so that God will draw me back to Him like it was in the time of Ahab? Then what will happen? If I believe that God is going to deliver me from my “drought” and He’s the One that is allowing it to grow me in holiness and draw me closer to Him, it will not change the circumstances. So, if Joel Osteen is “hearing” something in his spirit, who is it from? If it doesn’t line up with scripture can it really be God? Don’t think so….

My message to you today is very simple. Go enjoy a good meal because I believe you are going to see His promises come to pass.

Ok…this is Osteen’s message to us. But is this God’s message? Osteen says that we should enjoy a good meal because he believes that we are going to see God’s promises come to pass. Am I the only one that finds this sketchy? So, Osteen is telling me that I should trust in his horrible misinterpretation of scripture and what he “heard in his spirit” to determine what my future will be? Why? I believe that all that God says will come to pass, but this doesn’t mean that all Christians will be “blessed”. Jesus said that if the world hated Him, it would hate us. Is that being blessed? It says that they will hate, mock, and even kill those who belong to Christ. Is that being blessed? What about the Christians who have been killed in the Middle East, China, and other areas just because they were Christians. Is that being blessed?

I believe God is going to surprise you with His favor. It may get darker in the world, but that’s okay. For you and me, God’s people, it’s going to get brighter and brighter.

While I would say that God HAS surprised me with His favor, it’s not the way that Osteen thinks. God has shown me immense favor in the fact that He saved me while I was yet a sinner (Romans 5:8). But, His favor upon me is not necessarily equal to me being wealthy. It is not the kind of blessing that Osteen teaches his followers to chase after. What’s funny is that all of the prosperity gospel preachers say that prosperity is not just material things or wealth, but that’s all they talk about. They never really focus on anything but the wealth and material things. 2 Peter says that those who are in Christ have “exceeding great and precious promises”. This promises are spiritual and not material.

Osteen then says that while the world may get darker, for “God’s people” it’s going to get brighter and brighter. Where is this in scripture? This is the direct opposite of what scripture actually says. Scripture warns us in numerous places that things will get worse for Christians and persecutions will increase as the time of Christ’s return draws near. Now, I cannot speak for Joel Osteen himself. If he is of the world, like most of his messages seem to indicate, then he may not have anything to worry about…well, until the end.

When Elijah gave Ahab this message, it was up to Ahab to decide what he wanted to do with it.

Ok. This is where Osteen’s message just begins to unravel. It is big evidence that he really isn’t doctrinally sound and has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. This story doesn’t have anything to do with Ahab, other than the fact that he was the cause of the troubles that had come upon Israel! This passage of scripture is about how God kept His word. It is about how the man who is obedient to God will be preserved to do God’s will. It is how God is completely sovereign over everything. When Elijah gave Ahab the message to “Go up and eat” it wasn’t a test for Ahab to show his faith. It was because they had spent all day in the midst of the contest between the prophets of Baal and Elijah. They hadn’t eaten because of the sacrifices. Now, Elijah was telling Ahab to go up and eat before the storm came upon them.

 He could have said, “I don’t believe this, Elijah. There is not a cloud in the sky.” In other words, “Joel, I don’t think I’m going to have a good year. There is no sign of it. Business is slow. My medical report doesn’t look good. My child is still acting up.” Ahab could have looked at it in the natural and said, “I’m not going to get my hopes up. Elijah doesn’t know what he is talking about.

Well, those are definitely other words. Of course they are not consistent with what was really going on but when has that stopped Osteen before? First, think about what has taken place. Elijah is the prophet of God. He has told Ahab that it wouldn’t rain for 3 years and it didn’t. He just defeated and slaughtered the 450 prophets of Baal. Ahab saw the contest and saw the fire come down and consume everything. Did Ahab really not think that Elijah knew what he was talking about? Really? If you had just watched as fire rained down from heaven after Elijah prayed for it, then watched (and possibly consented to) the death of 450 false prophets, and this same man told you to go and eat before the rains come, would you not believe him? Would you honestly have thought that Elijah didn’t know what he was talking about?

No, Ahab dared to believe and put action behind his faith. The next verse says, “He went out and prepared a great feast.” You know, it took a lot of nerve to prepare a feast in the midst of the drought.

Where does the scripture say that it was a feast? It just says that Elijah told Ahab to go eat and drink. That’s all. Nothing about a feast or celebration. With the drought, they were concerned about having grass to feed the animals so that they didn’t have to kill their cattle and other animals (1 Kings 18:5). What are the chances that Ahab could’ve prepared a feast even if he wanted to? This is just more needling and twisting of scripture to make your point in the hopes that the biblically illiterate people that you are preaching to stay clueless to the truth of what you’re saying….

While other people were complaining, negative, depressed and bitter, here’s Ahab celebrating. Friend, this is what faith is all about! You can’t wait to see it before you believe. You have to believe and let your faith open the door so you can see it!

Where are the other people? Which scripture says that there were others that were complaining? I don’t see it. Where does it say that Ahab was celebrating? Osteen says that this is what faith is all about, but his entire premise is made up of twisted scripture or things that are just not there. That’s faith? Romans 10:17 says that “faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word”. If you aren’t completely and soundly founded on the Word of God, then you can’t have faith. If that’s true, then Osteens entire ministry implodes upon itself. His premises are based on the law of attraction and the prosperity gospel, all of which is unscriptural. Therefore, his “faith” is in himself and not the absolute truth of God. He is talking to pump himself (and more importantly, those who are giving offerings) to the point that what he says will come to pass.

Today, I’m asking you to follow Ahab’s example.

Um…which example is that Joel? Are we supposed to follow the example of Ahab that you made up or the one that scripture portrays? If it’s your example, then we’re following a false picture of who Ahab was. We’re not following scripture. Surely, as a “pastor”, you wouldn’t want us to do that…right? So that leaves the true scriptural portrait of Ahab. Ahab was a wicked man who did everything that he could to provoke God. Is this what you want us to do? Should we provoke God by doing evil? Ahab followed Baal and Asherah. Should we do that? Should we build altars to false gods? Maybe we should go out and kill those who speak the truth of God because it interferes with our plans and our desires? Then, we would really be following the example of Ahab. Maybe we should be joined to a heathen woman who hates God? Is that what you mean “pastor”?

Get your hopes up! Start celebrating what God is about to do! In other words, start acting like 2011 is your year—talk like it’s your year, walk like it’s your year, dress like it’s your year and think like it’s your year!

Get my hopes up? Is that what Ahab did? After spending his entire life up to that point provoking God and seeing God best him in a single day, was Ahab celebrating? Was he talking like it was his year? Was he thinking it was his year? Probably not. Instead, he was either angry, fearful, or both. He wasn’t hopeful and celebrating. If he had anything left of the sense that God had given him, he was trembling in his shoes. But, instead of using Ahab as an example of the inability of man to trump God, Osteen uses him as a springboard to present the same old message. You are blessed, you are a winner. You should talk like it’s your year, dress like it’s your year….blah blah blah. It’s not my year. If anything good happens to me, it is the grace of God. If I survive to the end of the day, week, month, year, or decade, then it is because of the grace of God. I can do NOTHING! Instead of seeing the truth of scripture and feeding his sheep, Osteen continues to encourage his flock to chase after the material things of the world (1 John 2:15-17).

Don’t make excuses. Don’t come up with all the reasons why this is not for you.

The truth is, this is not for me and that’s not an excuse. I chose to abide by the truth of God and what Joel Osteen preaches on a daily basis is not that truth. I don’t need reasons or excuses why this is not for me. I have scripture that shows me as much. The Bible says that there are many who say “eat, drink, and be merry for tomorrow we die”. The Bible tells me that I should not chase after the worldly things.

Be a believer; not a doubter. Get up every morning and announce it by faith, “Father, I want to thank You that this year is my year. Thank You that this year You are going to surprise me. Lord, thank You that I’m going to see promises come to pass. Thank You that things are shifting in my favor.

Here, Osteen tells me that I need to be a believer. Is he implying that I’m not a believer if I don’t agree with his teaching? I am a believer in Christ. I believe in Him and not myself or Joel Osteen. I believe that He died for me and has saved me from the wrath of God and the eternity of hell. I believe that while I may have good times, I will also have trials; but because of the faithfulness of my Savior, I will persevere. Because of His grace and mercy, I will endure. I may or may not have a lot of money/wealth, but I know that the Lord has never promised me that. I may not have good health all the time, but He hasn’t promised me that either. What He has promised me is that I am His and no man can take snatch me out of His hands. I am His and will be so for eternity. That is my best life. He is my abundance. When I speak by faith it is in prayer, lifting up those in the body of Christ who are persecuted for their faith. I pray for friends and family to be saved. I pray for brothers and sisters in Christ to be strong and proclaim the truth. This isn’t about me or whether or not it is “my year”. This is about Christ being glorified and lifted up so that all men may be drawn to Him.

Then get ready for a year of abundance—abundance of joy, abundance in your health, abundance in finances. I believe and declare it’s going to be an exceptional year for you and your family because I hear the sound of abundance coming your way!

Osteen tells us to get ready for a year of abundance. Joy, health, finances (see?) are all going to come our way in amounts that we can’t imagine. Really? Didn’t you say this last year? Just like all the other prosperity preachers? Didn’t you say it the year before too? Hmm….come to think about it, you’ve said this every year now for as long as I can remember. And, I can remember many years where it wasn’t my best year. But, I can also remember that each and every year that you said it was going to be an exceptional year for me in all ways, God was there for me in my trials. He was there when I was stuggling with sin and trouble. He was there when I was doing well, and when I was at rock bottom. He was with me in all of it and by His grace I have grown in holiness, even if just a little bit. Where were you Mr. Osteen? When I was struggling, you were telling me that abundance was coming my way. When I was broke, you kept promising me and others like me that things were going to be better. And they weren’t. You lied Mr. Osteen, but God hasn’t. Everything that God promised me has come to pass. I have been up and I have been down. I’ve been blessed with more than I needed and I have been in want. And through it all, God never left me or forsook me. That is what Christianity is about and if you stopped peddling your religious Ponzi scheme you could begin to truly help the people that are trusting in you to teach them the truth.

The anger is in the “message” that Joel Osteen had the gall to post. The sadness comes in reading the comments that were left underneath. The blog was posted on January 28th and there were 12 pages of comments in just over 2 weeks. The sad part is that all of them read about the same:

In Jesus Mighty name THIS IS MY YEAR!

I declare this upon my life! No longer will the enemy have his way in my life. I believe that God is working on my behalf and the tide of the battle is turning. Thanks be to God for his grace and his favor!

I believe it and I receive it! For all of us that have been waiting in a dry land for a very long time. Thank you, Father, for all that you have in store for your precious, hidden ones.

I received my confirmation and I claimed total abundance in every area of my life for 2011.

Thank you so much for the encouragement. I truly believe this is my year and I’m taking everything back that the devil stole from me. In Jesus’ name Amen

I am new to this, only a couple of weeks now. I make it a point to start my day by reading Joels message for the day. I can’t explain it but every day has been better and easier to face after I have read his message, I look forward to each day now more then ever before. Thank You and God Bless

This is for me and my family. We received Divine Abundance in every Areas of our lives this year-2011,AMEN. God bless ur Ministry sir

Your ministry has been a wonderful blessing to me, my family and friends. December looked like it was going to be a very tough month for us and although we were desperately seeking God’s will and obeying Him, due to various circumstances, we were strongly tempted to get overwhelmed and defeated. Then a friend introduced us to your sermons. They infused hope and faith into our hearts and lives. We listened to them every day and appropriated our faith according to Jesus’ promises. It turned our hearts in the right direction and put us in alignment with His blessings. He did not fail and December turned out to be a great success,”an over and beyond” holiday season, in fact, one of our best ones ever. Thank you very much for your positive,uplifting, strengthening and encouraging messages. May God continue to bless and prosper your ministry and continue to make you a blessing to many.

Thanx for words of wisdom Joel….l claim my abundance for 2011 after all our Lord promised us life of abundance…John 10vs 10…May the the Lord continue to use you in inspiring millions around the world….Be blessed.

Joel and Victoria,
My sister and I have been watching and rejoicing in the word of God through the words you speak for many years now. We believe that his Almighty words are spoken and those who choose too see and believe will revel in the glory bestowed upon our lives. Each day is a blessing and we thank you in Christian love for being God’s messenger for you have touched our hearts and lives.

Thank you God for being the God of abundance! I claim Your promise of abundance right now for the restoration of my health and for the home that You will provide for the amazing family You gave me! I claim abundance of strength for my husband who works so hard for his family and has such a strong faith in You! I thank You for my parents who raised me in a Christian home! I claim Your abundance for them so that my son can benefit from their wisdom and love. Father, I claim Your abundance for the Osteen family that they continue with Your work and touch the lives of so many in Your name! Thank you for the gift of my salvation and for the miracles You have already given me in my life! You truly are an awesome God! Amen.

 

Joel,
Many thanks for your messages of hope! You are such a blessing! I will keep your family in my prayers

And on and on for 12 pages….It’s so sad and it grieves me that so many would forgo a true knowledgeof the living and holy God and instead trust in a false gospel that is nothing more than pagan practices repackaged with a bright, shiny, Christian wrapper. It’s almost like wrapping a dead possum in mylar. It’s nice and shiny on the outside, but when you get through the facade, it just plain stinks. Sadly, so many have been content to just sit and look at the shiny part, not knowing that they have a mess of rottenness inside. I pray that those who follow anyone like Joel Osteen or the other prosperity preachers (Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, etc…) to repent and come out from among them.

I leave you with two links, one is the original blog post of Joel Osteen and the other is a presentation of this type of religion by John MacArthur. If you are caught up in this, please, break free and cling to Christ. Hold fast to His Word and let go of this false gospel….

The Sound of Abundance

Christless Christianity

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