Christianity and Islam…the same?

September 24, 2007 at 4:19 pm | Posted in Christianity | 31 Comments
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Many high profile (and not so high profile) media personalities have jumped on board the bandwagon shouting that there is little or no difference between Christianity and Islam. Really? Is this something that these media people know something about? Have they actually looked at the two belief systems to see if there are any differences or are they just doing this because if fashionable (or more likely, because Christianity has moral laws that many of these media people live in conflict with…)?

First, let’s do a simple run down of what the basic beliefs are for both religions.

Islam is a monotheistic religion that is centered upon the god Allah and “his prophet” Mohammed. It began when Mohammed was in a cave and (supposedly) was visited by the angel Gabriel(around 600 AD). It is believed that Gabriel gave Mohammed the Quran in it’s true form that had been preserved in heaven. Islam believes that Jesus was a prophet, teacher, and wise, moral, man. It believes that Abraham is the father of the faith and that he went up on Mount Moriah to sacrifice Ishmael. It believes that Ishmael is the promised son and not Isaac. It says that it is the completion of the truth found in the Torah and Bible with the Quran being the final say. It believes that Mohammed is the final prophet and the “seal of the prophets”. It believes that the Torah and the Bible have both been corrupted over time.

Christianity is a monotheistic religion that gets its roots in Judaism. Christians believe the Torah and the entire Old Testament are written by God. They see the Old Testament as the history of the Jews and how they have survived and thrived through all the trials they faced as God’s chosen people. Christians also believe that the New Testament is authored by God and that it portrays God’s desire for all mankind. They believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah talked about in Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 of the Old Testament. They believe that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, lived a sinless life for 33 ½ years, and then died on the cross for the sins of the world. They then believe that He was buried in a borrowed tomb and rose again three days later to be fully alive and well. They believe that He was/is not only a prophet and a teacher, but that He is the Son of the living God and that He has existed eternally.

Even looking at the basics, you can see that there are some differences. But, are they enough to say that Islam and Christianity are different? Don’t both religions lead you to God? The short answer is: No.

Islam promotes war as a method of subverting those who don’t believe to the will of Allah. They seek to make all submissive to Allah, because he has willed it so. Those who choose not to convert are either ostracized or killed. It calls for a jihad upon the “people of the book”.

Christianity preserves war as a final choice, instead looking for a way to reconcile things peacefully the way that our Lord and Savior did.

Islam is a young religion as far as that goes, only have been in existence for 1407 years (although Muslims will say that it is a continuation of the Jewish and Christian texts). The Quran talks about Jesus more than any other figure, but it makes one distinction that cannot be overlooked.

It denies the deity of Jesus Christ.

While many people proclaim that Christianity and Islam are the same, this one fact forever separates the two. Muslims will vehemently deny the deity of Christ and the fact that He was the Son of God. While this isn’t the only difference (there are many others of social, scientific, and moral impact), it is the most telling.

For Christianity and Islam to be equal, they would have to say the same things. The Bible was written over about 1500 years, by 40 different writers, from all walks of life, and yet there is a continuity that pervades the entire book that could not be done by the men that wrote it. It is all about the reconciliation of man to God through the sacrifice of the Messiah. It expounds on love, mercy, and forgiveness while warning of the judgments to come for those who do not listen to God. It depicts a loving God whose desire is that none should perish but that all should have everlasting life. The Quran was written over a much shorter time than the Bible by one man and still contains discrepancies. It is not consistent in its message and does not mesh well with the Christian text like a true “final chapter” would.

 The denying of Christ by Islam completely erases any hope of salvation for mankind. It was through Adam that sin’s consequences were brought to bear on man and without the hope that comes from the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, there is no way for a man to be restored to God. Jesus said in John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the father but by me.” Without this Way, there can be no path to the Father. To deny Christ is to leave man without the only thing that can save him from an eternity separated from God.

I think it only fair to say that there have been men and women throughout history that have misrepresented both Christianity and Islam and used them for their own purposes. But the denying of Christ as the Messiah and the only hope for man is something that is foundational to Islam and required by all of its believers.

I think that it would a better investment of time for those in the media who claim that Christianity and Islam are the same to take the time to actually read the Bible and see if what they are saying is true. I honestly doubt that many will do so though, because it would mean that they would have to give up things in their lives that they know is wrong. And there’s no fame or fortune that comes with that…

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  1. you are an wise *** (I’m sure that you meant man here)…. if u know what i mean… intelligent but an idiot… don’t argue for the sake of arguement… the only way forward is to realise the oneness.. the irony of the similarities is too great to assume ortherwise.. small differences will obviously arise with the interference of stupid human individuals over the passage of time… and such a long passage of time has yet not been able to abolish all connections between the two faiths…. hance, use your common sense for once rather than your need for individualism.

    • You seem to do a lot of talking without any substance. Congratulations. You say that I’m arguing for the sake of argument, yet you seem to be doing the same. You’ve given no proof for any of your broad generalities. You claim that there are ironic similarities, and yet you don’t offer any up for scrutiny. You talk about small differences but the truth is that there are HUGE differences between Christianity and Islam, the largest one being the deity of Jesus Christ. Muslims deny this wholeheartedly while it is the foundation of Christianity. If your idea of “similarities” so great are the fact that both religions “share” some of the same names (even though the histories of these people is completely different). You mention “connections” and yet ignore the large amount of information that separates the two religions. You also fail to mention the influence of Nestorian “Christians” on Mohammed’s life as well as his Christian and Jewish wives. You talk about using common sense and yet have shown that you haven’t used your own. I don’t have a need for individualism. If I did, I wouldn’t be a Christian, especially one that holds to Biblical truth. If you can present more than a few cheap shots and some actual evidence for a real statement, I’d be interested in seeing it…

  2. may the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all now and forever. Amen. Christianity and islam is not in any way the same. The bibile say in John 3:16 FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO US THAT WHO SO EVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Again read John capter 1, these few and other readings will make one to know that One can get to the Father through Our lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST. Without Jesus there is no eternal Life. Christianity and islam donot have any thing in common. It will be falacy for one to say christianity and islam are the same.

  3. I definitely agree that there is a HUGE chasm between Christianity and Islam (or any other religion for that matter!). It still boggles my mind how many “Christians” support universalism and deny the exclusivity of Jesus Christ as the only One who can save mankind…

  4. […] because of this, there is much common ground between Christianity and Islam (I wrote about this here). They believe that Jesus Christ is a prophet but not the Son of God. When Islam started out, it […]

  5. What’s really sad is that Islam really wouldn’t doubt the deity of christ if they understood him.”Son of God” Doesn’t mean literally what it says..My son’s name is Nathan..He is “Son of Mark” I reproduced him with my wife..Islam takes “Son of God” In a literal sense..God did not procreate with Mary,He did not have sex with mary and then she became pregnant..God implanted his seed..Yeshua not by natural means,He was the one they spoke of in the Torah numerous times..He is the one whom has fullfilled prophesy time and time again..In fact..He himself will show you he is true..God said if you belive his word there shall be signs following..If you have ever noticed..when Islam takes over a nation as the supreme faith..the nations crumble..War’s,famine,poverty etc break out..Why? Because there is no definte forgiveness..Even if Christ Had not paid the price as islam said..not only will they Go to hell but christians as well..Without Christ NO ONE IS FORGIVEN!..How would you know you are forgiven? At what point would god forgive you? If you raped one woman or 40?They belive in a mesiah,but much like the jews it’s a warior type figure..an earthly king..How long would that kingdom stand? 30 years tops? God was thinking eternal..he slipped christ in..and in 3 years of ministry..He turned the world upside down…Praise God the father of our lord and savior Yeshua the Christ!

    • Thanks for the comment Mark! I totally agree that without Christ we would be completely without hope. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:19 that if we hope in Christ in this life alone, we are of all men to be most pitied. The amazing thing is that Christ chose to die for us knowing what we are. We are vile sinners and have every right to be cast into hell because of God’s justice. And yet, because of God’s mercy, He already had a plan in place to save mankind before anything was ever created…

      The reason that all other religions hate Christianity is because Christianity is the only system of beliefs that show man for what he truly is….and sinful man doesn’t like that.

  6. yeah ….but i cant understand that is ailam n christinity same because we9muslims0 kmow thar christ was one of the messanger of allah…but the truth iz that allah actuallh raised him up because non muslims wanted to kill christ thats the truth……i never said christinity iz not a gud religion cauze islam teaches us that never to say anyone religion bad

    • yeah instead they teach you to kill people from other religions…..
      do you think thats NOT bad…. wow

  7. islam iz a pious religion …and the doubt which every one iz having iz that god has no son and christ iz not His son he wasas every prophet was. a messanger of god …not son …He iz the one no one shares him ….noone

    • with all due respect (i do not mean to offend you)maria, if you were to study the Word of the one and only GOD you would understand a whole lot more about his argument. althoi havent read the Quran I think that what ateasetees dude is saying is completely correct even tho i might not have read all the posts, arguments, comments or whatever.Have you actually studied the BIBLE.nOw you might think me of as being hypocritycal on telling you to read the BIBLE when i havent read the quran but you shouldnt start saying things that arent TRUE about my GOD and beliefs when you dont have backed up information. which you obviously dont seeing as you still seem to think that JESUS was nothing but a prophet…COZ HE IS NOT. He is the son of God the father!

      may God bless you

  8. Maria,

    I appreciate you comments but I have to respectfully disagree. Christ isn’t and has never been a messenger for Allah. I know that is what the Quran claims, but it is wrong. According to the Bible (which had been around for at least 500 years before Muhammed “received” the Quran), Jesus Christ is God made flesh. He said that He is the only way to heaven and that there is no other way, including Islam.

    You say that Jesus is a messenger of Islam. If that is the case, why is His message so different from the teachings found in the Quran? Jesus said to love your enemies and pray for those that despitefully use you. The Quran says to kill infidels and pagans that don’t submit to the will of Allah (Surah 9:5). The truth is that the God of the Bible is not the same as the “God” of the Quran.

    The God of the Bible is just, holy, and righteous; but He is also forgiving, merciful, and loving. He made Himself known to man so that they can be redeemed from their sins. Jesus came down to earth in the flesh in order to reveal God to man. Then, He died for the sins of the world because He knew that man couldn’t work his way to heaven.

    The God of the Quran is called forgiving and merciful, but never loving. He is aloof from his followers. He has no interaction with his people and doesn’t provide them with any certainty that they will reach heaven, even if they follow all of the five pillars diligently. You say that allah raised up Jesus because nonmulims wanted to kill him. If that is true (it’s not according to the Bible…), why would he do that? He didn’t do it for any of the other “prophets of allah”. He didn’t even do it for Muhammed, the “seal of the prophets”. Why Jesus?

    You say that Islam teaches you not to say that any religion is bad, but in the Quran, anyone who follows a religion other than Islam is called a pagan, an idolater, an infidel, or some other derogatory name. They are either subjected to dhimmitude and Islamic rule (where they have no rights) or they are slaughtered outright for not being Muslim.

    You may see Islam as pious, but that’s not what this is about. It isn’t about who is pious and who isn’t. It’s about what is true. And the fact is that only one of the two religions can be true because they contradict each other. As I said above, Christianity says that Jesus Christ is God made flesh. He came to earth to live a sinless life and die for the sins of the world. He was buried and rose on the third day. He is alive now and is in heaven seated at the right hand of God. Islam says that Jesus was just a good man and a prophet who was born of a virgin (which is from Christianity), taught people to follow the Quran (which is not true), and then was replaced by someone (most likely Judas) before He could be killed on the cross. He was taken into heaven (again from Christianity). He is not the Son of God according to Islam, even though He calls himself that in the Bible numerous times.

    If Islam is true, then noone who practices it is guaranteed that they will enter heaven. They have to rely on their good works and the hope that allah has “mercy” on them. If Christianity is true, then all men, women, and children are sinners of the highest order. They have all broken the law of God and because of this have the wrath of God weighing down on them. If they die in their sins (lying, stealing, looking with lust, hatred, coveting, etc…), they will stand before a just and holy God and be found guilty. Because of this, they will spend eternity in hell. BUT, if they repent of their sins and put their trust in Jesus alone to save them from the wrath of God, they can KNOW that they will go to heaven when they die. That is a HUGE difference between Islam and Christianity…

    • i completely agree with you. 😉

    • Just a thought… I don’t think you’ve done any actual research on Islam. You’re saying this based on your personal knowledge the have been passed down to you or whatever. Islam believes that Jews and Christians are “people of the book.” Therefore, we don’t kill them the moment we see them. The jihads were at the very beginning of Islam, when it was being threatened, just like the Christians! What do you think the Crusades were?!
      And your argument clearly said that the bible has been changed numerous times. If so, how do you know what it originally said? It has been corrupted by man and their personal ideas and views. I’m not saying that the bible is incorrect completely because some of the main ideas are still there!
      Also, he brought up Jesus because he was in trouble and in danger of death. He hadn’t completed his message. If you recall, Islam also says that Jesus is coming back…
      Honestly, Christianity and Islam are more alike than you think. They have the main basic cores and only disagree on Jesus’ identity and the Holy Trinity. The meaning of Islam is basically PEACE. The only reason it is seen differenttly is because of people like Osama, who aren’t even muslims. I’m not saying Christianity is wrong and I’m not dissing it. But first look and compare both religions unbiasedly. I did the same and I saw both were practically the same. I respect the views and ideas of Christianity but I feel that it is not the same religion it was in 33 CE. It has changed, but the ideas and culture of Islam have never changed.

      • Just a thought… I don’t think you’ve done any actual research on Islam. You’re saying this based on your personal knowledge that have been passed down to you or whatever.

        I appreciate your comment and you’re definitely entitled to your thoughts and opinions, but that doesn’t give them any more weight. You can say that you believe that I’m just going off of personal knowledge that has been passed down, but what are you going on? Wouldn’t all the knowledge that anyone living today has come from others that have passed it down to us?…What experience do you have with Islam? Are you a Muslim? If so, what sect? Sufi? Sunni? Shia? Also, if you’re going to say that I haven’t done any research on Islam, it would behoove you to actually take some time to point out why you think so by giving specific examples. Looking at the rest of what you’ve written, that didn’t happen…

        Islam believes that Jews and Christians are “people of the book.”

        Islam can call Christians and Jews whatever they like, but that doesn’t change how they actually treat them does it? Would you care to explain the abrogation of the Quran? Could you help me to understand why Muhammad heard good things about Christians and Jews from Allah when he was outnumbered by them in Mecca but Allah changed his mind when Muslim numbers grew in Medina? Don’t know what I mean? Here are a couple of surahs from the Quran:

        50:45. We know of best what they say; and you (O Muhammad) are not a tyrant over them (to force them to Belief). But warn by the Qur’an, him who fears My Threat.

        109:1. Say (O Muhammad to these Mushrikun and Kafirun): “O Al-Kafirun (disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar {divine foreordainment and sustaining of all things}, etc.)! “I worship not that which you worship, “Nor will you worship that which I worship. “And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping. Nor will you worship that which I worship. “To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism).” (109:1-6)

        2:256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut {idolatry} and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

        So far, it sounds like Allah is calling his followers to be peaceful with those who don’t believe Islam huh? But there is an interesting fact that all of these verses share. They were all written before or just after Muhammad reached Medina; when he was still outnumbered by the Christians and Jews. Now let’s take a look at one of the most famous surahs of all, the Verse of the Sword (Surah 9:5):

        9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

        9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

        9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

        Hmmm…seems like Allah has changed his mind a little doesn’t it? Now, instead of living peacefully with others who don’t believe, Muslims are told to fight against them until they are slaughtered or submit and pay the Jizya tax. What changed? Why did Allah all of a sudden reveal to Muhammad that he should now slaughter those that he was to previously be peaceful with? I bet it was because Muslim strength grew to where they could now defeat those who disagreed with them….or maybe it’s just coincidence?

        Therefore, we don’t kill them the moment we see them.

        Looking back over my post I don’t see where I said that every single Muslim kills Jews and Christians the moment they see them. Surely you can’t deny that that does happen though right? All you have to do is look at the events taking place in countries where Islam dominates to see this happening on a weekly basis.

        The jihads were at the very beginning of Islam, when it was being threatened, just like the Christians! What do you think the Crusades were?!

        Only at the beginning? Is that why Hamas calls what they’re doing jihad? Is that why a Saudi sheikh recently said that “jihad against Jews is one of the greatest virtues and most important duties of the Muslim”? Or why two Muslims were arrested in Australia for planning jihad attacks on other Muslims? Or why Nigerian Muslims will ambush and murder Christians for going to church? And, if jihad is just supposed to be a “spiritual struggle” (as many Muslims say it is), then why does it have such violent physical manifestations? Also, exactly how did the Jews and Christians threaten Islam? Was it because they wouldn’t believe? If that’s threatening, then Christianity is the most threatened religion of all! The idea that jihad was a defensive posture to protect a new religion is ridiculous, especially in the light of Christianity. You say that Islam only used jihad in the beginning “just like the Christians”. Can you show me evidence that Christians went out killing those that disagreed with them and threatened them? What I see in the history of the Christian faith is a large number of Christian martyrs who died for their belief; murdered by Romans, pagans, and Muslims. Have you read the Bible? Or Foxe’s Book of Martyrs?

        This actually brings us to the Crusades. I would love, just once, for someone to actually present the Crusades with a little bit of truth. Do you really understand what the Crusades were? They weren’t an attack upon Muslims by Christians, they were a response to Muslim jihad across Europe! As soon as Muhammad had the numbers of people on his side, he began to fight other peoples and other faiths to expand Islam. Those people/faiths were given three choices, convert to Islam, pay the Jizya and submit to Muslim rule, or die; if they were given a choice. This continued with Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali as well as other caliphs. They spread through Europe reaching all the way to the Iberian peninsula, finally being stopped at the Battle of Tours in 732 A.D. (only 100 years after Islam started). Then, about 25 years before the first Crusade, the Ottoman army (Turkish Muslims) attacked the Byzantines. So basically what we have is Islam being spread by the sword from almost its inception. While I will say that not everything that the Crusaders did was right or represented Christianity, the Crusades themselves were a response by the Christians living in the lands being attacked to protect themselves. The Crusades weren’t even called crusades at the time they were taking place. This only happened later. None of this stopped Muslims from continuing the attacks and abduction of slaves into the 19th century…

        And your argument clearly said that the bible has been changed numerous times.

        Could you show where my argument said this? I have read through my post and all the comments and can’t find it anywhere…

        If so, how do you know what it originally said? It has been corrupted by man and their personal ideas and views. I’m not saying that the bible is incorrect completely because some of the main ideas are still there!

        The Bible hasn’t “changed numerous times”. The reason we know this is because we have manuscripts and fragments that number in the tens of thousands. We can compare these manuscripts and fragments to each other to see what, if anything, has changed. You say that the Bible has been “corrupted by man and their personal ideas”. Can you give examples and explain how the corruption came about? Is it safe for me to assume that these corrupted verses are only verses that disagree with Islam and it’s prophet? What “main ideas” are still there? Would you be willing to put the Quran under the same scrutiny that you do the Bible? For instance, what about the fact that there were differences in the Quran that the third caliph Uthman decided to erase by making one copy of the Quran and sending it to all of the provinces. He then demanded that all other fragments and whole copies of the Quran be burned. So, how do you know for sure what the Quran originally said?

        Also, he brought up Jesus because he was in trouble and in danger of death. He hadn’t completed his message. If you recall, Islam also says that Jesus is coming back…

        Who brought up Jesus? Muhammad? Are you saying that Muhammad used Jesus to save himself from being killed? When? Where is this documented? Does this mean that Muhammad lied about Jesus in order to save his life? Sounds like Taqqiyah to me…Yes, it says Jesus is coming back…in one surah. There are many other things that the Quran says about Jesus that point to Him being better/greater than Muhammad. Why such favor upon Jesus if Muhammad is the “seal of the prophets” and Jesus is just a man?…

        Honestly, Christianity and Islam are more alike than you think. They have the main basic cores and only disagree on Jesus’ identity and the Holy Trinity.

        Honestly, I would still disagree with you. You haven’t given any evidence to support the premise you’re making. You say they both have the “main basic cores”, but what are you considering the main basic core to be? To be a Muslim, you have to have faith in the oneness of Allah and that Muhammad is his prophet. This includes saying the Shahadah, “There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah”. There are 4 other pillars that Muslims keep like the 5 daily prayers (salah), giving of alms (zakat), fasting (sawm), and the hajj to Mecca. It is the first pillar that is most important though. It denies the deity of Christ and, therefore, the way God has ordained for men to be saved. As I said above, for Islam to deny Christ’s deity is to forever separate it from Christianity. To deny the very foundation of my faith is to oppose everything else about Christianity. The fact that both religions share names, people, places, stories, etc is irrelevant. Add to this the differing views of man and the spread of the faith and you have two very different religions. Islam believes that all men should submit to Allah and that Muslims are to do whatever is necessary to spread this message, including war. They believe that it is only through Islam that men might be saved (although even if a Muslim were to keep every pillar and command religiously, there is no guarantee that he would see heaven). If one denies Muhammad, you get deaths, bombings, church burnings, and ambushes.

        Contrast all of this with Christianity. Christ came as the Son of the living God. He was/is fully God and fully man (not just a prophet). He had the authority and power to calm storms, heal the sick, and even raise the dead (all things that Muhammad couldn’t do). He spoke with an authority that astonished His hearers and angered the pious, self-righteous (just like His Word does today). With all the power, all the miracles, all the authority He had, Jesus still went to the cross and died for sinners. He voluntarily allowed Himself to be crucified so that man could be saved. He was the perfect reflection of what He taught. Not once did He contradict His teaching with either word or deed. Because of Christ, Christians are told to live and be like Jesus. Those who profess Christianity and do not live according to its tenets are false converts. The same could be said of any other religion, including Islam…

        The meaning of Islam is basically PEACE. The only reason it is seen differenttly is because of people like Osama, who aren’t even muslims.

        Acutally, the meaning of the word Islam is “submission” and not peace. Islam is focused on submission to Allah. Peace is only involved when it is necessary to bring about the submission of someone else. You say that people like Osama (bin Laden I assume?) aren’t even Muslims, but when I look at the Quran and what it says and then look at Osama’s life, I see him being consistent. It is the Muslims who say that Islam is peace in spite of the Quran that I have questions about. I don’t see them as consistent…

        I’m not saying Christianity is wrong and I’m not dissing it.

        That’s pretty much a post modern statement isn’t it? You say that you aren’t dissing Christianity, but you say that the Bible is corrupt. If you are a Muslim, you can’t agree with Christianity can you? That would make it wrong in your eyes wouldn’t it? Why all the waffling?…

        But first look and compare both religions unbiasedly. I did the same and I saw both were practically the same.

        You tell me to look at both religions in an unbiased manner, assuming that I haven’t because I disagree with you. You see both are “practically the same”, but that view can’t be due to study of the tenets of the religions. If you lay out the beliefs of both religions as well as the lives and actions of the founders of those religions, there are stark differences that cannot be reconciled. It is only ignorance, hidden agenda, or unwillingness that could allow the “sameness” of the two to be seen…

        I respect the views and ideas of Christianity but I feel that it is not the same religion it was in 33 CE. It has changed, but the ideas and culture of Islam have never changed.

        Christianity is the same as when Christ was here. The difference is that now there are many who profess Christ and don’t actually believe. They are false converts who are not saved. Islam hasn’t changed much in its lifetime, but I don’t think I would say that’s a good thing. From the way that it treats women to the way that it sees unbelievers to the actions it promotes, Islam is a violent religion. And those that ignore this or downplay it do so at their own peril. On the other hand, those who claim to be Muslim and are violent are only being consistent with their religious beliefs…

  9. so chritianity is alwas nice?
    Isa (jesus, in the quran) has So much more nice things said about him then Mohammad, He is not just a prophet, He does more mirciles, more wonderful things then the bible even says.
    and jihad IS not a holy war if you acually take to a muslim you know sould that it translates to Struggle, the same kind of struggle that christants call temptation. Crazy people who use islam for their own devices use it to start holy wars. The same kind of crazy people that use christanity to justify killing gays, jews, blacks, asians, and everyone else that doesnt fit in to thier world.

    for the record I dont belive in either one, but Both of them promote peace at there core, its the people that abuse the wording and use it to their own advantage that make Both relgions justify evil things.

    • I understand what you’re saying, but the question isn’t which one is nicer, or which one says that Jesus did more wonderful things. You say that the Quran talks about Jesus in better terms than Mohammed and you’re right. As a matter of fact, there are some verses that hint to His death on the cross, and His resurrection. But, Islam doesn’t teach those things. As a matter of fact, one of the five pillars of Islam is “Allah is the one, true god and Mohammed is his prophet”. This coincides with the belief that it is an unforgivable sin to say that God had/has a Son. But, that’s exactly what the Bible says. It isn’t like Muslims think where God came down and had relations with Mary though. It is talking about role….

      To say that the Quran says that Jesus did more wonderful things than what the Bible says Jesus did is not true. The Bible says that Jesus came down from heaven. The infinite God poured Himself into flesh and became a man just so that He could live for 33 and a half years among His creation and then die to pay for the sins that they committed. That is the most amazing thing that anyone, anywhere, at any time has ever done for anyone. The Quran not only ignores this fact, it denies it.

      The problem too is with who’s being honest. For someone to say that they are a Christian and then go out and murder someone is to be a liar. That person is not really a Christian because they are not following the tenets of Christianity. But, for a Muslim to go out and kill someone who refuses to convert to Islam or just to kill Jews or Christians because they are infidels is supported in the Quran. And, because of the idea of abrogation, the verses that talk about killing infidels trump any of the verses that talk about peace. The Muslims who kill others are doing so because they are obdient to the Quran and are following the things that are found in it. They aren’t the radicals that everyone makes them out to be. The “Muslims” who aren’t following the Quran, or those who call themselves “moderate” Muslims are either ignorant of the faith that they profess to believe or they are lying.

      People can justify their actions however they want, but that doesn’t make the religion wrong. As I said above, if someone calls themselves a Christian and then lives in sin or commits horrible acts, that person isn’t a Christian. The “pastors” that are openly gay, aren’t Christians. Scripture in both the Old and New Testaments says that homosexuality is a sin. It’s not any more worse than any other sin, but it doesn’t lessen the fact that it’s a sin. This is different from Islam. Right now, there is a Christian woman in Pakistan names Asia Bibi who has been sentenced to death because she defended Christianity when some Muslim women tried to convert her. They locked her in a room and were going to do other things with her but the police came. So, because she defended her faith, she will be killed. If this were an isolated incident, it would be questionable, but it’s not isolated. There were two houses that were burned down in the last week because of a rumored romance between a Muslim girl and a Christian boy. Just because of the rumor, they burned two houses down. I could go on about things like this too. 58 Catholics were killed two weeks ago by Muslims for no reason other than they weren’t Muslims. When Terry Jones in Florida threatened to burn the Quran on 9/11, the entire world went into an uproar about how horrible it was. Two churches were burned down, even though Pastor Jones didn’t do it. This is the norm in Muslim countries. It isn’t in Christian ones, or even formerly Christian ones.

      Islam doesn’t promote peace at it’s core and that’s what Muslims have told me. I’ve talked to Muslims about their faith, and many of them see jihad as a physical war against anyone who’s not a Muslim. And they are just following what the Quran says. While people can twist the words of religion to use it for their ends (it happens all the time in Christianity), that doesn’t mean that the Muslims who are killing non-Muslims are doing so. If you can point out where exactly they have taken their own scriptures out of context, it would be really helpful….

  10. I’ve read your arguments and still think the two are basically the same. It is sad that muslims interpret the son of god to mean that he is a deity like god, but i do believe there is salvation without jesus. Jesus just makes it easier by being a yoke and taking the brute force. One can still get salvation, but depending on their sins, they will have to suffer like christ did.

    • I’d be interested in knowing how much you actually know about each religion? You say that you’ve read my arguments and you still think the two are basically the same. How is that so? If Jesus is the Son of God (He is) like Christianity says, and Islam says He’s not, there is nothing else similar. Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He is not God the Father but He is not a separate deity. He is part of the Trinity; one God but three distinct egos. When Christians say Son of God, it includes deity. To deny this is to deny Christ’s character and essence as well as his salvific work on the cross. Muslims deny Christ as the Son of God because they believe that it implies that God had sexual relations with Mary, even though the Bible makes it clear that this never happened. They deny Jesus as the Son of God because their “prophet” told them so. In doing this, they deny the only way that they can be saved.

      Salvation comes only through Christ. In John 14:6, Jesus says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me”. In Acts 4:12 Peter says that there is no other name under heaven by which men might be saved but that of Jesus Christ. Regardless of what you or I believe, what it comes down to is this: What is the truth? If Islam is true, then Muslims have to work their way to heaven by giving alms, praying five times a day, denying Jesus is the Son of God, observing Ramadan, and going on the hajj to Mecca. Even if they do this faithfully their entire lives, there is nothing that guarantees that they will enter into Paradise. “Allah” may decide on his whim that they are unworthy of Paradise. Not only that, because Islam is works based, it can be grouped with every other works based religion (Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Mormonism, etc).

      Christianity, however, is all by itself. It says that you can’t work your way to heaven. Instead, salvation is a gift from God so that no man can boast (Ephesians 2:8-9). This means that all of the good things that you do will not balance out your sins. Your sins will be dealt with in one of two ways. Either you will repent of your sins(lying, stealing, lusting, hatred, etc) and trust in Christ now, or you will be sent to hell for eternity to pay for your sins. There is nothing else. You can’t work off your sins in pergatory. You don’t suffer for your sins here and then get salvation. There is no reincarnation. Hebrews 9:27 says that it is appointed for you and I to die once and then we will stand before God to be judged. If you and I fail to receive the gift of salvation that God offers now, then it will be too late then. And it will not be God’s fault, it will be ours.

      Even a cursory glance at both religions shows them to be extremely different. Aside from the works based “salvation” of Islam, the Quran talks of killing anyone who will not convert to Islam. These people are considered infidels and less than human. Their “prophet” was a hypocrite who told his followers to abide by laws that he himself did not have to adhere to. The man had 11 wives, including a 6 year old (although he didn’t consumate the marriage until she was nine), while the Quran says that men can only have 4 wives. Contrast that with Christianity which says that we are to love our enemies and pray for those who despitefully use us (Matthew 5:44). Christianity says marriage is one man and one woman for life. Christianity portrays a God that loved the world so much, that His one and only Son came to earth and poured Himself into human flesh so that He could live here among us without sin; be mocked, spit upon, beaten, and whipped; and then was crucified, all on our behalf.

      I would have to respectfully disagree with you as to the similarities between Christianity and Islam. While they may share some of the same names, that is all they share. Islam is a false, man-made religion that binds people through works and causes them to commit atrocities in the name of an idol. Christianity is the truth, and it is the only way that anyone will be saved.

      Thanks for stopping by. I would be interested in hearing why you think that they are similar, as well as where your ideas on salvation come from….

      • I will admit that i do need to do more research on both. I’ve learned more since i last posted, but I’m still far from a complete understanding.

        Not all Christians believe in the trinity you know. I dont. And not all Christians have a concept of purgatory. so by using concepts that are mainly used by catholics really does not provide very good arguments to those of us who do not believe in them in the first place. I believe in jesus myself, but he is a separate person, and no he is not a deity. Although perhaps more enlightened and able to do certain miracles while on earth. If he was chosen in heaven instead of satin to be the savior of man, then it is easy to see how jealousy could easily arise. As far as i know the kings james bible says no such thing that jesus did not have a family, nor does it say one way or another that god himself might have a wife. Some have eluded that god does not mention a wife of his own because he knows how people already use his name in vain and like any man on earth, he would be outraged if his wife were to be spoken of badly. I myself think god does indeed have a wife, and think that it is at least possible that jesus had a wife and family of his own. From my understanding yes jesus is the way to salvation by being a yoke and being able to take away the burden of sins, but depending on how bad your sins are, if not repented of, you yourself will have to bear them. If they were minor you will just have to suffer through them before proceeding to heaven, but if they were worse like murder you will have to suffer in agony for eternity in hell, constantly feeling the pain you caused others over and over. No fire, just coldness in ones heart.

        I admit that there are problems with islam, and severe differences, but i do seem some similarities. Maybe i spoke too soon, i’m not sure. but i need to research it more. I dont believe the Quran says to kill christians, and believe that might be an incorrect interpretation both by westerners and by islamic extremists. The word Jihad is often interpreted as meaning a “holy war”, but it might turn out that it is supposed to mean “struggle” as in a personal struggle to connect with god.

        I’m sorry i haven’t been able to provide as much information as i had hoped. If i am able to do more research into the topic more i will try and return. Otherwise it’s some food for thought. Thanks for providing your interesting view.

      • The differences between Christianity and Islam are blaring, but as i said in my last response, it all boils down to the fact that they deny Jesus Christ as God. The problem that people have today is that they seem to think that what they believe has the most value, when in reality, what you believe only has as much value as it lines up with what is true. That is the main question; not what you believe to be true, or what you “feel” is right, but what is true. While not all of those who claim to be Christians believe in the Trinity, the Bible is clear that the Trinity is not only real, but necessary. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit all have the same attributes. It seems that you have misunderstood me. I’m not a Catholic. I don’t believe in purgatory any more than you do. There is no such place. The Bible says that there are only heaven and hell.

        You say that you believe in Jesus, but that He was just a man. You say that He may have been more enlightened and able to do miracles, but He is a separate person and not God. Do you have scriptural support for this or is it just what you believe? You do realize that you don’t believe in Jesus as He is portrayed in scripture right?

        In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
        And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:1-3, 14)

        For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. (Colossians 1:13-18)

        Here, in these two passages, we see that Jesus is eternal, having been with God before He became flesh and dwelt on earth. Jesus is the eternal Word of God and is God. Not only that, but we see that all things in Creation were made by Him and the He is the One holding them together. This is no mere man. It is through Jesus we have forgiveness of sin. If your Jesus is just a man, then how are your sins forgiven? God has made His Son the propitiation (substitute) for sins. Satan couldn’t have been the savior of mankind. Satan is a created being and therefore is not qualified for that role. Not only that, but 1 John 3:8 says that Satan has sinned from the beginning. The Savior of man is the spotless Lamb of God. There is no way that the One who paid for the sins of man had sin or it would have made Him unable to pay for our sins. The only One that could have paid for our sins is Christ. The idea that Christ and Satan are equal is a Mormon belief. Are you a Mormon by chance?

        You say that the Bible doesn’t say anything about Jesus having a family, but it doesn’t say He did either, to say that it’s possible is to argue from silence and add to scripture. Adding to the Bible is not recommended (see Revelation 22:18-19). There is no indication that God has a wife either (again, unless you’re a Mormon). It is not in scripture. God has no need for a wife and neither did Christ. They are God. They are complete and perfect without man or woman or wife or children. While there are those who say that God has a wife and she was erased from the Bible because of this or that, there is no support for this other than their imaginations and suppositions. They are looking to make an idol, a version of God that suits them so that they can live the way that they want instead of living the way the Bible says to live.

        Jesus is not the way because He is a yoke. He is the way because He chose to be. Before the foundations of the world, God set forth the plan for salvation and Jesus Christ, God the Son, chose to be the spotless Lamb who would live a sinless life, die on the cross bearing the wrath of God, and rise again three days later; triumphant over death and hell. You say that not everyone believes in purgatory. I don’t. But you seem to be trying to paint one. The Bible says that it is appointed that man should die once and then immediately be judged (Hebrews 9:27). There is no purgatory, there is no place to pay for your minor sins. To think this is to diminish both the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross (which doesn’t mean much already if you deny His deity) as well as the character and nature of God. God is holy, just, and righteous. Our sins are first and foremost against Him. The payment for sins against a holy, eternal God must be eternal as well. It isn’t about how bad we think our sins are, it’s about Who we’ve sinned against. God has determined justly and rightly that the punishment for sins is eternity in hell, regardless of what the sin is or how bad or light we think that it is. If it isn’t the way that I’ve just described, then who decides where the line is? What makes murder more heinous than lying? God struck down Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5 for telling just one lie. Proverbs 12:22 says that lying lips are an abomination to God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 says:

        Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

        God says that in determining His judgment, there is no difference between idolaters, adulterers, drunks, or coveters. In Matthew 5, Jesus says that being angry with someone is the same as murder (verses 21-26, see 1 John 3:15-16 too), and looking at someone with lust is the same as adultery (verses 27-28). Revelation 21:7-8 adds unbelievers and cowards to the list. As for hell having no fire, that goes against what Jesus Himself said about hell. In Mark 9, Jesus talks about doing whatever it takes to keep from sinning (but it wasn’t meant to be literal…), and three times He says that hell is a place where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched.

        In regards to the Quran commanding Muslims to kill Christians, it does say it, many times. The main verse though is Surah 9:5, also called the Verse of the Sword:

        Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent (become Muslims) and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

        There is something important when considering Islam as well. There is something called abrogation. This basically means that the verses that come later chronologically in the Quran replace those that come before. This is important because the Quran is not in chronological order. It is in order from longest to shortest surah. If it were placed in chronological order, surah 9 would be the second to last surah. This means that it would come after all of the verses in the Quran that even hint at peace between Muslims and non-Muslims and negates every one of them. Muslims know this, but they are also allowed taqiyyah. They can lie outright about anything if it will further the cause of Islam, including saying that Islam is a peaceful religion. It really doesn’t matter how you interpret “Jihad” if the Quran tells them to kill non-Muslims that won’t convert to Islam…

        All of this means that those Muslims who are killing non-Muslims are the ones who are being obedient to their holy book, and those that aren’t killing are either deluded (like most Western born Muslims) or they are practicing taqiyyah in order to lull non-Muslims into a false peace until they gain a majority (like Muhammed did to the Jews and others in his area when he started Islam in 632 A.D.). It is no different for Christians though. Those who claim the name of Christ and deny the truths of the Bible aren’t really Christians. They have made a god to suit themselves that looks and acts like what they want Jesus/God to act like so that He will condone their lifestyles without asking them to change or repent of their sins. This is even more dangerous than Islam in my opinion (although I think that Islam is the most dangerous threat outside the church). There are thousands if not millions of people who have fooled themselves into thinking that they have been saved and are going to heaven because the walked an aisle, signed a card, or said a prayer. This is not true and Jesus talks about how bad it will be in Matthew 7:

        “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

        Here Jesus says that few people actually find the gate to eternal life. They are willing to walk the narrow path that leads to life, and this path is through Jesus. But, the way to destruction is wide and broad and there are many people on it. There are millions of people following false, man-made religions (whether those involve Jesus or not). They are all on the road to destruction. The only way to enter heaven is to repent of your sins (lying, lusting, hatred, gossip, coveting, idolatry, etc) and trust in Jesus alone (as the God-man) to save you. Not your own works, not the hope of purgatory or payment after death. Only Jesus and only the one portrayed in scripture. Anything else is not going to help you…

        “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

        Here it is Jesus who determines who enters into heaven and who doesn’t. And He says that there are many who will say that they did all sorts of things in His name. And yet, Jesus will tell them that they practice lawlessness and He doesn’t know them.

        I appreciate the discussion and hope that you will continue to study, but I pray even more that you will realize that your view of Jesus is wrong. That He is God, and He is the only way to heaven. Feel free to leave a comment any time you get a chance. I will answer it as I can get to it… 🙂

  11. I have yet to see any real evidence of either religions being factual, both are cults, both create evil and bigotry in society, both have been the cause of the murder of millions, both have destroyed cultures for their own agendas, both are irrational, nonsensical, and blatant idiocy. Both clearly show they are created by men, when I say men I mean male humans with the mindset of bronze age goatherders, both are immoral in their roots and absolutely destructive to an advancing human race.

    • joseph,

      Thanks for stopping by and reading the blog. I guess I would have to start by saying that I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you haven’t really looked into either religion all that much. There is nothing in your comment that would lend any credence to the fact that you have. Basically all you’ve done is post the same tired diatribe that so many others have posted when they don’t really want to do any research or actually understand what they’re arguing against. You’ve made a long list of attacks on the people of both religions, lumping them together as if they are the same when (if you’ve actually read the blog post above) you should at least be able to see that they’re not anything at all alike.

      In regards to Christianity, you’ve made these comments without giving any indication that you know anything about the Bible or have read it at all. Have you? Have you gone to church at all? What is the gospel? Why is it important? You make all of your claims without providing any evidence to back them up. You say that Christianity creates evil. How so? Do you have any examples where Christianity created evil? If I had to guess, you’re thinking of the acts of people who called themselves Christian but in reality were not Christians at all. I find it interesting that you say that Christianity has caused the murder of millions. Again, do you have any specific instances? I’m going to guess here to and say that you’re probably going to try and use the Crusades? What’s funny is that I would agree with your statement but not in the way that you would probably expect.

      Christianity has caused the murder of millions. But it wasn’t death at the hands of Christians. It was the death of Christians at the hands of Romans, Nazis, Maoists, Hindus, Muslims, and secular humanist/athiest leaders. Since the beginning of Christianity, people that followed Christ have been murdered just because they simply believed in Him and who He said He was and tried to tell others about it.

      With all the slurs against Christianity (irrational, nonsensical, idiocy) you could at least show some evidence that you’ve studied Christianity (or Islam for that matter) and give examples. You say that Christianity is “clearly” created by men, and that these men don’t rank very highly on your scale of intelligence. You say that Christianity is immoral in its roots. Really? These kinds of statements just lend more weight to the idea that you really don’t have any idea what you’re talking about. Someone who is absolutely sure that Christianity is destructive to an “advancing” human race couldn’t have read anything in scripture about Christ and how He came to save men from their descent into sin. But, I guess this is the way the world is going. Now, you don’t have to understand anything about what you’re arguing against, you just have to be passionate about what you’re arguing for and then you can say anything you want (true or not) about the other side. It would do you well (on many levels) to actually sit down and take a look at what Christianity is about. If you do so honestly, you’ll see that you couldn’t be more wrong in your portrayal of it or its purpose…

  12. I believe that the meaning of “The only way to God is through Jesus” or “Jesus is the way” can be explained by “Follow the words that Jesus preached/said and you will be saved.” So basically there is no need for knowing if Jesus is the Son of God for we will be saved and we will surely know it in the End. I agree that Jesus was a great man, the things he said seem very logical to me, maybe he was actually the Son of God (literally). But I think that Son of God could mean that he had no biological father and so it was impossible to say anything else but that he is the Son of God. Not in a biological way but the impossible (“Godly”) way.

    There are differences between both religions so you can´t really say they are the same thing, but I think they are both right in many ways. The Bible and Quran are the Holy Books, but they have certainly been “corrupted” by mankind in some way. But the true message is still there.

    And by the way: aren´t we all sons (and daughters) of God? Christ is the greatest one of us, so he must be the Son of God (again, not biologically). There is also a chance (quite a good one actually) that he was God himself in a human body.

    So now I ll have to say that I dont really know. Anyway, someone is probably right, but I dont think it actually matters, as long as you do your best to follow the word of Jesus.

    God Bless You All!

    • I appreciate your taking the time to leave a post, but I have to respectfully disagree.

      It isn’t about what we feel or think that the scriptures mean. It is about what they actually say. In John 14:6 Jesus Himself says that He is “the way, the truth, and the life”. Not only that, but He says “NO ONE” comes to the Father but through Him. Is isn’t just about following what He preached or said. It is much much more than that and Jesus makes it clear through the gospels. Jesus talks about the difference between being His sheep and not being His sheep. He talks about how those who are in sin will find themselves in Hell for eternity. In Luke 13:3 and 5, Jesus says that unless people repent of their sins, they will perish. This isn’t just about this life. It is about eternity. And there are only two possibilities for each and every person on the planet – heaven or hell. The problem is, every man, woman, and child on earth starts out on their way to hell because they are all sinners. They lie, steal, covet, lust, put idols above God, and many other things. Any one of these things is enough to send someone to hell and there isn’t one of us who hasn’t done one of these things (much less all of them).

      If someone believes that it’s only about following what Jesus said and that they can work and do good things in order to be saved, then they don’t understand Christianity. Ephesians 2:8-9 says that a person is saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and NOT OF WORKS so that no one can boast. We aren’t saved by what we do. We are saved only when we repent of our sins and put our faith in Jesus Christ alone to save us.

      This leads me to something else you said. You said that you don’t believe that it’s important to know if Jesus is the Son of God or not. That’s not true. It is totally dependent on whether Jesus is the Son of God. If He is not the Son of God (and therefore God) then His death on the cross is meaningless. If He is not the Son of God (like the Bible says He is), then there is no way for anyone to be saved. It is Jesus Christ’s death on the cross and resurrection from the grave that is the only way that people can have a chance to be spared from the wrath of God. This makes it imperative that Christ is the Son of God, because He is the only one that can save people from their sins.

      In today’s day and time, it is popular to question everything. It is all about the intellectual arguments and “tolerance”. With all of this intellectualism comes no authority. You say that Jesus might be the literal Son of God, but you have no authority to say whether He is or not. You say that what He says is “very logical” but I wonder if you’re actually reading what He really said. His first message is “Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand”. You say that Jesus was a “great man”. If that’s all He is, then you don’t understand Him or His purpose at all. You don’t understand His words because all of them are based on Him and who He is. He speaks with the authority of God. And He says to repent…

      You mention the differences between Christianity and Islam. I agree that there are differences. That was the point. There are many today who would try to make them more similar than they are. You say that you think that both are “right in many ways”, but that just proves that you don’t understand the two faiths. If Christianity is true (and it is), then Islam cannot be true by definition. Jesus said that no man comes to God but through Him. Not through Mohammed or the Quran. Not through Mormonism or Judaism or Catholicism.

      You say that the Bible is corrupted by man. Can you give some examples of the corruption? Do you realize that if you were in certain Muslim-dominated countries and they heard you say that the Quran was corrupted, you would be killed? How much do you know about Islam? Or Christianity for that matter? You say that the true message is in both of them…what do you consider the truth of Christianity? What is the truth of Islam? I assure you that they are very different.

      It is common for people to say that we are all children of God. That could be considered true by way of the fact that God created us, but that is not true in the sense that we are all His children and will all be saved. We won’t. Christ is not the greatest of us. He is God. We aren’t gods. As for Jesus being God in a human body, it depends on what you mean. The Bible says that Jesus Christ was/is God made flesh. He is fully God and fully man. He is unique in all of Creation.

      You say that all you have to do is follow the word of Jesus. Why? What makes the word of Jesus higher/more important than the word of Mohammed or Moses or Joseph Smith or Charles Taze Russell? Why would you choose to listen to Jesus over all of them if Jesus is just a man?

      If you don’t think that knowing whether or not Jesus is the Son of God matters, then you are in danger. The Bible says that it’s appointed to man once to die and then the judgment. You have one chance at life and this is it. It is only by God’s grace that you are still alive. If you don’t repent of your sins and put your faith in Christ then you will find yourself in hell when you die. This is not something that I want for anyone. It is my hope and prayer that you will see the urgency in all of this and not take this lightly….

  13. In the piece you have written you claim that Christianity uses war as a final means for the spreading of the mythical God’s words. However, the 7 counts of Genocide I know of in the bible show this to be untrue. If you wish for references to these Genocides I will provide them, but I’m sure having studied the Bible you know of them well.

    Also to NoNEEDTOKNOWMYNAME – You may think we are all sons and saughters of your god, but I don’t. Create and follow your own moral compass in life. I live my life well. I take care of animals. I tend the land. I teach children. I give to charity. I do not go out of my way to harm others. I have created this way of life. I will not give credit to myths and charlatans.

    • I would be interested in your listing of the “7 counts of genocide” in the scriptures. If I had to guess, they’re all Old Testament passages. As a matter of fact, I am 99.9% certain that they are. They have to be because you can’t present anything in the New Testament that shows Christians going to war. As for Christians preserving war as the final choice, it wasn’t in the understanding of spreading the gospel. It was overall. True Christians would rather find a peaceful way to resolve things when conflicts arise. This is not the preferred method for Islam. Islam only looks for a non-combat solution when they are the minority. You can see that both in the life of their founder, Mohammed, as well as in the actions of Muslims ever since. When Mohammed was outnumbered by the Jews in Medina, he sought peace. As he gained followers and strength, his methods changed to be much more ruthless and combative. It is so apparent that scholars divide the two periods by such things.

      To say that because God called the Israelites to war, even to the point of wiping out entire nations, it has some direct bearing on Christianity is ridiculous. The amount of time that passed between the wars and the time of Christ is immense. To try and connect the commands of God in sending the Israelites to war with the teachings of Christ on the character of His followers in order to find fault with Christianity is grasping at straws (or is it straw men?). The two times do not present contradictions in the character and nature of God as some would like to believe. What they do present is God leading His people in two different contexts, in two different situations, in times and events that have no direct correlation to one another. At the time of Jesus, the Jews had already tried the war approach and they paid dearly for it. As a matter of fact, when the Messiah came to them, many didn’t recognize Him because they were expecting a military/political leader to free them from the bondage of the Romans instead of the incarnate Son of God who came to free them from the bondage of sin.

      Ironically, we agree on one thing. We both don’t believe that all are sons and daughters of God. The Bible is clear that there are sons/daughters of God. These are those who actually believe that Jesus is who He says He is, obey what He said, and trust in Him (instead of themselves) for their salvation. They are those who exhibit love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. They live their lives according to God’s moral standard (the Ten Commandments) and love the brethren. Then there are those who are not His. They are called “sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 5:6) upon whom the wrath of God abides. They are called “children of the devil” (1 John 3:8). They lie, lust, steal, fornicate, murder, hate, covet, and create idols for themselves. They hate God and they want nothing to do with His Son because to do so would expose their evil deeds.

      I find it interesting that you would call upon NEEDTOKNOWMYNAME to “create and follow” his own “moral compass”. What would you advise he use to create this compass? Where do these morals come from? If you fail to believe in God, then you have no source for morals. You may try to claim that they come from your own reasoning and logic, but how did you come to have reason and logic without God? You can’t have any morals or logic without a logical, moral law giver. You are borrowing from Christianity for your “moral compass”. What I find even more ironic is that you are so willing to promote just how good you are. That’s called arrogance where I come from. You judge your life by your own standard. How can you not be absolutely spiffy? To find out where you truly stand, compare your life to God’s moral standard. Have you ever lied? That’s a sin. God killed two people in Acts 5 for one lie. That’s how much of an abomination lying is to God (Proverbs 12:22). Have you ever stolen anything, no matter how small, no matter how little the cost, no matter how long ago it was? That’s called theft and it is against God’s moral law. Have you ever committed adultery? No? Have you ever looked at someone with lust? According to Jesus, that’s the same thing (Matthew 5:27-28). We could go on to talk about honoring your father and mother, hatred (which is murder – see Matthew 5:21-26 and 1 John 3:15), keeping the Sabbath holy, blaspheming God’s name, or creating idols (which you’ve done with yourself….). You make yourself the “god” of your own life and yet you borrow everything you say you’ve created from the God who gave you life. Surely you’re not arrogant enough to claim that you brought yourself into existence are you?

      The irony in all of this is that you use the very life and breath that God gives you to mock Him and those who follow Him. You may see this as a weakness in the God of the Bible, but I see it as mercy. The Bible says that God is holy and just. He’s perfect and righteous. And He will judge sin. Every lie, every lustful thought, every sin will be apparent before the just Judge of all the universe. None of the “good” things that you may try to stake your claim on will help you when you stand before Him. Scripture says that man’s righteousness is like “filthy rags” (used menstrual cloths…). It says that there is no one who is good, no one who is righteous, no one who seeks God on their own (Psalm 14:1-3, Romans 3:10-12). It also says that if a person stands before God without having their sins paid for, He will cast them into hell for eternity, whether you believe it or not. The amazing thing is that even though man hates God, even though He actively rebels against Him at every turn, God sent His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross as a substitutionary sacrifice for those who believe. The Bible says that if you repent of your sins and put your faith (trust) in Jesus Christ alone to save you (and not in your “good works”), you can be saved from God’s wrath and the punishment for sin….

      That is the truth of the gospel and it is the only hope that man has…

      • All you guys are idiots who have no knowledge, if you had the time and dedication to read both books and understand the good points then you should talk about the religious differences, im muslim and ive read some of the bible and half of the quran and both are very similar in most aspects but there is some differences i see which is minor. The Quran promotes peace yet people take it out of context to much and use it in this modern world we live in. Now understand that the bible and quran were written a long time ago based on those times, when there was holy wars and people were tryin to overtake each other. So you have to understand both books are from Gods mouth himself and the messengers only did there job of writing the word of God through the arch angel angel Gabriel. You cant blame any religion becos of what they say, if muslims believe Jesus isnt son of God then its not there fault, if the christians say Jesus is Son of God then they believe that way. You cant just keep bashing relgions down. First study both books before yapping nonsense things.

      • All you guys are idiots who have no knowledge,

        As an idiot who has no knowledge, let me begin by stating my sincere thanks to you for taking the time to enlighten me as to the depths of your knowledge of both the Bible and the Quran. Without the wealth of knowledge you provide I don’t know what I would have done…

        if you had the time and dedication to read both books and understand the good points then you should talk about the religious differences,

        I think that in your effort to share your wisdom you failed to see the assumption that you’ve made. You automatically assume that I haven’t taken the time or dedication to read either book much less both of them. I can assure you that this is far from the truth. I can see from what you’ve posted below that I am surely lacking in my understanding of Islam and Christianity and the information you’ve provided below will definitely fill in the gap…..

        im muslim and ive read some of the bible and half of the quran and both are very similar in most aspects but there is some differences i see which is minor.

        Ok…I’m going to drop the sarcasm now and just address the absurdity of this statement directly. You call me an “idiot with no knowledge” and yet you state that you’ve only read “some” of the Bible (how much?) and “HALF” of the Quran. Yet, armed with this small amount of knowledge, you have the courage to tell me that I know nothing of either book. On top of all of that, you write like you actually think that this is a good thing….

        If you have only read some of the Bible, which parts have you read? How much exegesis did you do on the parts that you read? Do you understand the context that those verses are in? Is it safe to assume that these are verses that Muslims don’t think have been corrupted (which, ironically, only happen to be the ones that disagree with Islam…)?

        How can you say, with a straight demeanor no less, that there are only “minor differences” between the two books when you haven’t even read one of them all the way through much less both of them? Did you even read what I wrote in the blog above, or did you assume what I wrote from the title and the first few paragraphs? Am I to assume that you treated my writings no differently than the Bible and the Quran?

        The Quran promotes peace yet people take it out of context to much and use it in this modern world we live in.

        Which one of the 109 verses in the Quran that call for Muslims to kill non-Muslims wherever they find them would be promoting peace? If all of these verses are taken out of context (forget the fact that some of them are so specific as to mention actual acts of violence against non-Muslims) can you provide the proper context for each one so that all of us “idiots” can finally understand what the Quran says? Nevermind the fact that both the Bible and the Quran have been studied for a thousand years or more by people much smarter and better equipped than either one of us…

        I’m not quite sure what you mean by the last phrase “and use it in this modern world we live in”. Care to elaborate at all?

        Now understand that the bible and quran were written a long time ago based on those times,

        First, you need to understand something. There is a difference right here between the Bible and the Quran. The Bible was written over 1500 years, by 40 authors, on three different continents, by kings, shepherds, poets, tentmakers, and fishermen to name a few. In spite of the great time period and the expanse of land that the events covered, there is consistency throughout the Old and New Testaments. There around 25, 000 manuscripts of the Bible, many of them pieces of scripture, some almost whole texts. This is more manuscripts than the next 10 most prominent books of history combined.

        As for the Quran, it was written much later in history. It was written over about 23 years starting in 610 AD. Contrary to popular belief (and militant preaching by Muslims), there were different translations of the Quran due to dialectic differences. Uthman, the third caliph, got the permission to use Hafsa’s copy of the Quran, created five of them and then ordered the rest destroyed. All copies of the Quran have been created from this one version. The irony is that there are still textual variants and hadiths that refer to the Quran as incomplete or talk about suras that are no longer in the Quran….

        when there was holy wars and people were tryin to overtake each other.

        Seeing as how the Bible was written much earlier and over a much longer period of time than the Quran, I think that this comment is a little lopsided. But you are right about one thing. Muhammed was all about holy war and trying to overtake people. Well, not when he was weak and had few followers in Mecca. However, when he got to Medina and received more money and more followers (and could actually outnumber people) “Allah’s” decree changed (hmmm….is that a coincidence?).

        The Quran focuses more on jihad and holy war than even the Old Testament of the Bible does. The Bible, on the other hand, focuses on the glory of God through the coming Messiah and salvation from sin…

        So you have to understand both books are from Gods mouth himself

        This might be more plausible if the Quran didn’t logically and theologically contradict both itself and the Bible, all while saying that the writings of the Bible should be adhered to and followed by Muslims (Sura 4:136, Sura 3:84).

        and the messengers only did there job of writing the word of God through the arch angel angel Gabriel.

        Only the Quran claims to be a revelation from the archangel Gabriel. The Bible claims to be a revelation straight from God Himself, through His Holy Spirit. You claim that Jesus and Muhammed were both messengers, but if you’re supposed to believe and adhere to the scriptures that came before the Quran (the Taurat, the Psalms, and the Injil) then you have a major issue. In the Injil, Jesus Himself says that He is the only way and that no one comes to the Father but through Him. (John 14:6)

        You cant blame any religion becos of what they say, if muslims believe Jesus isnt son of God then its not there fault, if the christians say Jesus is Son of God then they believe that way.

        Do you even realize how post modern this sounds? It is precisely because of what they say that I can judge a religion to be truthful or not. If a Muslim does not believe that Jesus is the Son of God, then it is precisely because of what they believe. When you start out with the presupposition that Jesus is not the Son of God, then you won’t believe it when you do read it in the Bible and will claim that it is corrupt (which is exactly what happens…). It is what a religion says that defines its beliefs and that places the fault squarely on the adherents of those who believe what a religion “says”….

        You cant just keep bashing relgions down. First study both books before yapping nonsense things.

        You end like you started; not with any sort of evidence or something with any substance, but with name calling. You tell me that I can’t “bash religions down” without studying both books first. Can I ask why I am not allowed to critique both religions (even though I’ve read both books) but you (who have only read some of the Bible and half of the Quran) are allowed to not only offer an authoritative opinion on both religions, but also criticize my position for doing so? Doesn’t that seem a little….hmmm, what’s the word…oh yeah, hypocritical?

        The sad part about this is that you have not offered one shred of support for the sparse comments that you’ve strung together. You’ve not given me anything that I could actually look up or study, and you haven’t made any actual points regarding my blog post that I could follow up on. What you have shown is that you don’t know either religion very well even though you claim to adhere to one of them. Don’t feel bad though. There are many, many people who profess to be Christians that couldn’t do any better than you could in defending what they believe.

        The worst thing though, is that because you refuse to listen to the truth of the Bible (even though your own scriptures tell you to do so), you are deaf to the voice of God echoing through the ages, calling men to repent of their sins (lust, lying, hatred, idolatry, etc) and put their complete trust in Jesus Christ as the Son of the One, True God to save them from their sins and from God’s judgment. Because of this, the Bible says that if you die in your sins, you will stand before a holy and just Judge who will cast you into an eternal hell. There will be no discussing it with God, there will be no “last chance”. My prayer for you is that you would hear the truth in what I’m saying and repent of your sins. Turn from those things and turn to the true God who revealed Himself in the entirety of the Bible….

  14. Yeah as an outsider looking in both these religions still seem extremely similar to me, Muslim, Christian, or Jew they’re all a little crazy to me

    • Andrew,

      Thanks for taking the time to visit my blog and leave a comment. When you say “outsider”, what do you mean? What religious beliefs do you hold to? What similarities do you see between the three religions? Do you see any differences? What are they? What makes the three “a little crazy”? I ask these questions in the hope of having a chance to help explain the three religions a little better…

      God Bless,

      Mike


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